I often flip back and forth between the conservative talk and O&A channels on XM. I flipped over to O&A and there was a discussion going on about gameplay Vs graphics. Patrice (an frequent guest) started off a discussion that was nearly a script read of some of RGR shows. He was ranting about how the only real difference in the newest edition was that over the course of the game you could see the players ass crack get sweatier. He lamented that he just paid $60 for an ass-sweat engine that didn't do anything for the game play. It was a good 10 min discussion on the topic.