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The End May Be Near for Microsoft's Entertainment Division

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I guess if I had to pick which of the big 3, I’ve supported the most this generation; I’d probably have to pick Microsoft. Even so, I’m not sure you could consider me a Microsoft fanboy. But ever since E3, I’ve had to reassess my support for the big M and the more I’ve thought about it, the more I realize I’ve probably thrown my support for the wrong company.

My intent here is not to become a Microsoft basher. Even with my current disappointment in the direction of the company, and my realization of what I think is soon to come; I still spend most of my gaming time on the 360 these days. Unfortunately I think the Microsoft gaming division may be living on borrowed time.

This became even more clear recently with the news 1 vs. 100 would not be coming back for a 3rd season. Keep in mind that Microsoft poured a ton of time and money into building a pretty unique experience in 1 vs. 100. A venture that was considered successful since on any given night you’d have a minimum of 10,000 players playing. I wouldn’t attribute 1 vs. 100 as being the sole reason that Xbox Live reached the 20,000,000 “gold subscribers” milestone, but I’d say it was part of the reason at least. So why cancel a unique feature that Microsoft could use as an example of something that could only be done over XBL?

Keep in mind that Microsoft is betting the farm on Kinect, and that 1 vs. 100 seemed to fit Microsoft’s push to enter the casual gaming market. When Microsoft unveiled “Natal” last year, they even used 1 vs. 100 to help promote it. So I don’t think it’s a huge stretch to think that Kinect may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

Microsoft has a history of dropping support for products without notice. So what am I talking about? How about the original Xbox, Wireless adapter, Xbox Vision Camera, The Kin cell phone, Windows Mobile platform, Pocket PC and the Courier Tablet? I don’t think it’s that big of a stretch to think if Kinect flops, which all indications are that it will, the Microsoft folds their entertainment division and walks away.

So what does Microsoft have to offer its core users in the coming year? Halo Reach and Gears of War 3. What happened to this year’s Summer of Arcade? Where’s this year’s Shadow Complex? Then you look at MS’s lack of marketing of critically acclaimed titles. Alan Wake, which I’ve yet to find one person complain about, has sold poorly with about 88,000 units sold to date. I’m not sure I’ve seen any marketing of Alan Wake, since Microsoft was too busy hyping Kinect. According to Cheapy D’s CAG cast last week, Amazon is currently tallying a whopping 34 pre-orders for Kinect. If that isn’t a complete bust already, I don’t know what is.

So Microsoft has basically turned its back on its core audience, and decided to target a different demographic. They have no new console on the horizon, no new exclusive core titles outside of the already mentioned sequels and are cutting features from their service for god knows what reason. Am I just paranoid, or does it looks like the Microsoft Games division is on the brink of a major collapse?

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  1. November Mike's Avatar
    Can't say for sure man... they did just finish (within the past year) a brand new building up in Redmond for their XBOX team. I happen to feel that the days of the 360 are coming to a near end. I believe the kinect is just a test to see how it works in a real world situation and when things get tweaked around, a brand new console that will include a device similar to the kinect.

    I only take issue with you're apparent tone that all core users think like you do. Halo Reach and GOW3 are huge titles to some people. I happen to be one of those people, for Halo anyway. Next you take shots at the summer of arcade lineup. Shadow Complex did nothing for me and I never got it. I am, however, looking forward to the Castlevania coming out as part of this year's SoA (I've even considered blogging about it). Does that disqualify me from being considered a core user?

    And where are you getting your numbers for Alan Wake? Wikipedia shows NDP sales for the first two weeks reaching 145,000 units!
    Updated 07-22-2010 at 02:03 AM by November Mike (error)
  2. javierdlopez's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by November Mike
    I only take issue with you're apparent tone that all core users think like you do. Halo Reach and GOW3 are huge titles to some people. I happen to be one of those people, for Halo anyway. Next you take shots at the summer of arcade lineup. Shadow Complex did nothing for me and I never got it. I am, however, looking forward to the Castlevania coming out as part of this year's SoA (I've even considered blogging about it). Does that disqualify me from being considered a core user?
    I don't question the appeal of Halo and GOW, my point is, those are the only two exclusives we know about going forward over the next year or so. Isn't Catlevania a remake of a 20 year old game? We all have different tastes, my point wasn't to crap on any particular game, I'm simply pointing out that this year's Summer of Arcade is not being promoted the way last year's was, and there's no big "new" IP this year. While there may be some good games, Microsoft isn't actively promoting them any more.

    And where are you getting your numbers for Alan Wake? Wikipedia shows NDP sales for the first two weeks reaching 145,000 units!
    There's been articles written in several places. The numbers are a little inconsistent, but it's been a disappointment for Remedy for the most part. In one particular podcast, they mentioned there are doubts that we'll see a sequel to Alan Wake. What sucks is, from everything I've read, it's a great game, but I never saw a marketing campaign for the game. MS just let the title sink.

    http://www.actiontrip.com/rei/commen...ml?id=052210_3

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=254507
    Updated 07-22-2010 at 02:46 AM by javierdlopez
  3. November Mike's Avatar
    I don't see the issue with cross-platform games anyway, not everybody has the extra money to own every damned system. One can argue that Nintendo has been doing the very same thing for years, and yet they are still around. You know of any big "new" IP being pumped out by Nintendo this year? And to be perfectly honest, I haven't noticed anything different in Microsoft's promoting of stuff with the exception of devoting nearly all of their E3 presser to their new baby.

    I'm sure the fact that Alan Wake was first announced 5 years ago and dropping the PC has something to do with it. The game looked cool and all but ultimately there are other cross platform games I'd rather play over it. No amount of extra marketing would have changed that.
    Updated 07-22-2010 at 03:19 AM by November Mike (damn spelling)
  4. javierdlopez's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by November Mike
    I don't see the issue with cross-platform games anyway, not everybody has the extra money to own every damned system.
    This issue is, that Microsoft is in the business of selling consoles. So although you already own one, not everyone owns one, so they need to make their console appealing to prospective new customers. There is no issue at all with cross-platform games. But if you're making a choice right now as to what system you're going to buy, the 360 is the least appealing in my opinion. It's the exclusives and services (like 1 vs. 100) that are going to differentiate one from the other.

    One can argue that Nintendo has been doing the very same thing for years, and yet they are still around. You know of any big "new" IP being pumped out by Nintendo this year? And to be perfectly honest, I haven't noticed anything different in Microsoft's promoting of stuff with the exception of devoting nearly all of their E3 presser to their new baby.
    Nintendo is a special case. Their more popular IPs are 20 plus years old, so there's always the nostalgia factor and the familiarity thing. Even non-gamers will buy a Nintendo based on name recognition alone. Also, you can buy the complete console with some great pack in games for just $50 more than a Kinect peripheral.
  5. November Mike's Avatar
    So although you already own one, not everyone owns one, so they need to make their console appealing to prospective new customers.
    I didn't always own one and it wasn't Microsoft exclusives that got me to chose the 360. 1 vs 100 as a live game wasn't even heard of back then. Maybe you bought the 360 originally for exclusives, but I didn't. Maybe that makes me in the minority. I have not seen a change since I got it either. Things added (1 vs 100) are things that have been removed. I think the thing that has hurt Microsoft the most is the problems it had with 360s RRODing and such, and there wasn't always a 3 year warrenty covering that.

    Nintendo is a special case. Their more popular IPs are 20 plus years old, so there's always the nostalgia factor and the familiarity thing.
    My issue with that statement is that Nintendo's IPs were not always 20 years old.

    Also, you can buy the complete console with some great pack in games for just $50 more than a Kinect peripheral.
    I agree with this, I've been saying it myself. I have said that Microsoft just pushed me into buying a Wii but that isn't ultimately true. I've been wanting to get a Wii for a long time now, and it isn't for their motion technology either. I don't see the draw toward any motion controller, myself. It's an interesting novelty for some games including those fitness ones but, beyond that I just want a controller while sitting my fat ass in front of the monitor!
  6. javierdlopez's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by November Mike
    I didn't always own one and it wasn't Microsoft exclusives that got me to chose the 360. 1 vs 100 as a live game wasn't even heard of back then. Maybe you bought the 360 originally for exclusives, but I didn't. Maybe that makes me in the minority. I have not seen a change since I got it either. Things added (1 vs 100) are things that have been removed. I think the thing that has hurt Microsoft the most is the problems it had with 360s RRODing and such, and there wasn't always a 3 year warrenty covering that.
    So why exactly did you choose a 360 over a PS3? Just curious.

    If you were mostly interested in cross platform titles anyways, the PS3's "free" PSN and built in wireless connectivity seems appealing for someone coming in new. Alex, actually talked me out of buying a PS3 in lieu of the 360. It worked out in the end, but it was the PC/360 exclusives and XBLA that finally helped me make up my mind.


    My issue with that statement is that Nintendo's IPs were not always 20 years old.
    Yep, you're right. But 20 years ago I'd get maybe 1 or 2 games an entire year. Competition wasn't as fierce and the market in general was much smaller. Times have changed.

    In the end, this is just my opinion. Obviously I'm not "powerful" enough to influence consumer spending. So regardless of my opinion, this will play out the way they play out. Microsoft, imo, has lost some momentum over the last year an half and that bothers me. I've recommended the 360 to friends and family more times than I can think. For me, there simply isn't anything to look forward to with the 360 right now. Unfortunately for them, I have plenty to look forward to from both Nintendo and Sony moving forward.
    Updated 07-22-2010 at 11:29 AM by javierdlopez
  7. November Mike's Avatar
    So why exactly did you choose a 360 over a PS3? Just curious.
    It's simple - the Controller. Having played both systems at Fry's several times, the 360's controller just felt more natural whereas the PS3's pos controller felt odd and would cramp the hell out of my hand. Anymore questions?

    Yep, you're right. But 20 years ago I'd get maybe 1 or 2 games an entire year. Competition wasn't as fierce and the market in general was much smaller. Times have changed.
    I don't think its fair to say that competition wasn't as fierce back then just because you were 20 years younger and not aware of it. Times haven't changed as much as you think. In the end its still out sell the other guy. The only real change is, instead of it being 8-16bit, it is now HD and what not. Sega vs. Nintendo wasn't some light competition, like some preseason exhibition. It's all the same, nothing has changed, only "us" and "we" have changed.
    Updated 07-22-2010 at 11:48 AM by November Mike
  8. javierdlopez's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by November Mike
    It's simple - the Controller. Having played both systems at Fry's several times, the 360's controller just felt more natural whereas the PS3's pos controller felt odd and would cramp the hell out of my hand. Anymore questions?
    I actually feel the same way. LOL Although it was the 360's exclusives and close ties to PC gaming that made my decision easy to make.

    I don't think its fair to say that competition wasn't as fierce back then just because you were 20 years younger and not aware of it. Times haven't changed as much as you think. In the end its still out sell the other guy. The only real change is instead of it being 8-16bit, it is now HD and what not. Sega vs. Nintendo wasn't some light competition, like some preseason exhibition. It's all the same, nothing has changed, only "us" and "we" have changed.
    And as successful as Sega was, they ended up (eventually) killing their console business and concentrating on software. Nintendo wasn't selling 1 to 2 million consoles a month either.
  9. November Mike's Avatar
    And as successful as Sega was, they ended up (eventually) killing their console business and concentrating on software.
    That was a choice, they weren't forced out of the console market. And this has little to do with Microsoft's "impending doom" because like Sony, Microsoft can afford to take a lot of hits.

    Nintendo wasn't selling 1 to 2 million consoles a month either.
    Thing is, MY MOM bought a DS. (lmao)

    I've recommended the 360 to friends and family more times than I can think.
    I don't know for sure (because I'm not you) but was this because at the time you didn't have any intention of getting a PS3 and you wanted them to to have the same system that you do? Stripped of all the fluff, I've noticed a change in you ever since you got the PS3. But hey, more power to you. Cross-platform titles are now meaningless to you because you own both platforms... again, YOU changed.
  10. javierdlopez's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by November Mike
    That was a choice, they weren't forced out of the console market. And this has little to do with Microsoft's "impending doom" because like Sony, Microsoft can afford to take a lot of hits.
    But that is precisely my point. Microsoft can choose to continue, but ultimately it's no sweat off of their sack to kill Kinect or the 360 all together since it's not their bread and butter.


    I don't know for sure (because I'm not you) but was this because at the time you didn't have any intention of getting a PS3 and you wanted them to to have the same system that you do? Stripped of all the fluff, I've noticed a change in you ever since you got the PS3. But hey, more power to you. Cross-platform titles are now meaningless to you because you own both platforms... again, YOU changed.
    I would recommend a 360 because in my opinion they offered the better experience between the 360 and PS3. There was a long laundry list of games and features that weren't available on the PS3. I bought a PS3 because I felt I was missing out on a bunch of stuff. You've noticed a "change" in me? How so? I'm simply more opened minded now than I was 2 years ago. 2 years ago, I was happy with my 360 and Wii and didn't need a PS3, things changed, so my position changed as well.

    Cross platform titles were always meaningless to me because I could get them on the 360 anyhow. When I look at what new games I've bought in the last 6 months, the majority of them were PS3 exclusives. Most of the games I've bought for the 360 are cross platform titles...

    Here's what I've purchased this year.

    360
    SSFIV
    Battlefield: Bad Company 2
    DJ Hero
    Just Cause 2
    Lips: I Love the 80's (360 exclusive)
    Batman:AA
    Red Dead Redemption
    Blur
    Lego Batman
    Pure
    Afro Samuri

    PS3
    Infamous
    God of War Collection
    God of War 3
    Demon Souls
    MAG
    Resistance 2
    ModNation Racers
    MLB: The Show
    Little Big Planet
    Killzone 2
    Warhawk 2
    Heavy Rain
    3D Dot Game Heroes
    Final Fantasy XIII (Cross Platform)
    Prototype (Cross Platform)
  11. November Mike's Avatar
    But that is precisely my point. Microsoft can choose to continue, but ultimately it's no sweat off of their sack to kill Kinect or the 360 all together since it's not their bread and butter.
    But its rather pointless when the very same can be said of Sony.

    I bought a PS3 because I felt I was missing out on a bunch of stuff.
    Great.

    I think your list tells a lot about our different perspectives. You have bought more games in the last 6 months then I have bought the entire year and half of owning the 360. We base our opinions on our perspectives and observations and I can certainly clearly see your perspective now. It was a good discussion, and no, nothing personal.

  12. javierdlopez's Avatar
    I didn't take it personal.

    You're right about Sony, too. There were rumors that Sony would drop out of the console business as recently as last year. Sony's problem had been two fold this generation. Price point and lack of quality games. They've addressed those two issues in the last 12 months. Doesn't mean they don't make bone-headed moves though. 3D I think will be a huge failure for them, and I know only a handful of people that have dropped money into PlayStation Plus.
  13. Darksol's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by javierdlopez
    I didn't take it personal.

    You're right about Sony, too. There were rumors that Sony would drop out of the console business as recently as last year. Sony's problem had been two fold this generation. Price point and lack of quality games. They've addressed those two issues in the last 12 months. Doesn't mean they don't make bone-headed moves though. 3D I think will be a huge failure for them, and I know only a handful of people that have dropped money into PlayStation Plus.
    Right now, its a competition to see who can suck the least it seems. This summer has been a disappointment for just about everyone across the board.
  14. javierdlopez's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Darksol
    Right now, its a competition to see who can suck the least it seems. This summer has been a disappointment for just about everyone across the board.
    No doubt Darksol.

    I'm not even saying the PS3 is clearly better than a 360, either. But you seriously have to consider the PS3 at this point. They've had an outstanding year full of great exclusive titles and are at least "trying" to appease it's customers. They still make a ton of huge mistakes, but they've had tons of great games this year and last, and as a gamer, that really should be the most important thing.
  15. TechMaster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by javierdlopez
    No doubt Darksol.

    I'm not even saying the PS3 is clearly better than a 360, either. But you seriously have to consider the PS3 at this point. They've had an outstanding year full of great exclusive titles and are at least "trying" to appease it's customers. They still make a ton of huge mistakes, but they've had tons of great games this year and last, and as a gamer, that really should be the most important thing.
    That's your opinion. Out of your list here is all I found worth sinking money into for PS3 exclusives:
    PS3

    God of War Collection
    God of War 3
    3D Dot Game Heroes
    Demon Souls (on my list when the price drops a bit more)

    ModNation Racers (Maybe)

    Final Fantasy XIII (Cross Platform) (waiting for price drop)


    If I'm not mistaken, you were a Sony Fanb..err..favorite prior to buying the 360 (I'm pretty sure I remember reading that a while back), I think the only thing that held you back from jumping on the PS3 first was price (which wasn't really a big a deal to you) and the fact that many others were on the 360(the real deciding factor).

    Again it isn't the market that has changed, it's you. You finally got the platform you wanted in the beginning. Just an observation in any case. -shrug-

    I don't see MS dropping the Gaming division any time soon. The only thing they may have dropped is the advertising budget for the year.
  16. BJWanlund's Avatar
    Javier,

    I feel the same way. In fact, SONY actually has risen above the retailer-appeasing fracas with LBP2 and the Special Edition, instead of just adding to the madness.

    Definitely makes me want to speak less ill of Sony in the future.

    I realize now that I made a huge mistake investing in the platform I invested in, and am wondering whether I should sell my 360 or not.

    BJ
  17. javierdlopez's Avatar
    I was never a Sony Fanboy.

    If anything, the original Playstation and Playstation 2 were instrumental in driving me away from console gaming in the late 90s in the first place. After getting a Wii as a present for Father's Day '07, I was thinking about building a new gaming PC, and figured I'd save some money by buying a console. The thought of having to pay a fee for a gaming service seemed so foreign at the time that I was thinking about buying a PS3. My brother sort of steered me away from that idea and encouraged me to reconsider a 360, due to it's tie in to PC gaming and XBLA.

    Only my opinion has changed, and certainly Microsoft's focus has changed. The reality is that Microsoft has had a soft 2 years in terms of exclusives and certainly nothing that would ever compete for GOTY honors. The same cannot be said about Sony. They have had a stellar two years, and although your taste in games may differ than mine, there's no mistake about the quantity of quality titles being released exclusively for the PS3. I forgot to mention in my list, last year's undisputed Game of the Year. Uncharted 2.

    When it's all said and done, you have to call a spade a spade. I've said it several times that my loyalty is only as strong as the products a company will offer me as customer. Halo Reach will sell like gangbusters, no doubt about it. But, if you're not a halo fan, what 360 exclusive are you looking forward to?

    Back catalog? There's no comparison, the 360 beats the PS3 hands down. But, I've played pretty much every back catalog title that interested me.

    Have I changed? Maybe, but that's only influenced by what's being offered. And seriously Tech, are you all that excited about Halo Reach? I never considered you a Halo guy.
  18. TechMaster's Avatar
    Lol, I have zero interest in Halo. My draw to the 360 is the Xbox Arcade and the fantastic friends integration and Leaderboards.

    I only recently picked up the PS3 for the 2 or 3 Exclusives (with God of War Tipping me over the line) because the price finally came down to a reasonable amount. That being said my Xbox 360 Library count is up to about 38. Could I get most of them on the PS3? Sure, but I would have to give up the 2 reasons why I went with the Xbox in the first place.

    Sony might have recently released a few good games in the last year, but they are about 3 years behind on good games. I think MS can sit on there laurels for a bit without being threatened too much. It sounds more like your are having a bit of gen gimmi syndrome at the moment. You're buzz from the last Latest and Greatest has worn off, and you don't see the next new Latest and Greatest in your face.. right NOW!.. so you think MS is dead.

    Again I don't see MS leaving the scene any time soon. I think they might be trimming the budget in the advertising department, but that will pick back up come holiday season.
    Put the Xbox controller in the drawer for a few months. I'm sure something will come down the pipe shortly that will grab your attention.
  19. javierdlopez's Avatar
    I guess when you want to dismiss someone's opinion, calling them an unflattering term ("Gen Gimme" in this case) is the way to go.
  20. TechMaster's Avatar
    Now, now Javier, I was saying you were experience a mild case of that syndrome. I didn't mean you are actually a gen gimme.
    In any case I'm not dismissing your opinion, I just feel your going through some down time or something.
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