Welcome to the Classic Gaming Area

[Shane R. Monroe]

Welcome to the Classic Gaming topic.

This area is devoted to CLASSIC GAMING only. There will be no talk about Xbox, PS2, Nintendo DS, PSP, etc. Talk about pre-Dreamcast here. Talk about Pre-GameBoy Advance. Talk about EGA/CGA PC games. Talk about arcade games that say, date before 1990 ... use common sense - everyone will have a good time.

As always, please refer to The FAQ (http://www.monroeworld.com/forums/faq.php?faq=lobster#faq_messages) before posting.

[WorknMan]

Question: Do discussions about classic compilations on modern systems go in here or in the modern gaming section ? :)

[Shane R. Monroe]

Classic compilations can go here - provided the discussion is about the games as a whole. THe second someone says "the xbox version is better" or something like that, it goes to the Modern or fanboy section :)

[Sk8erpunk]

Question: can we talk about SNES,NES,or GENISIS games??

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

A treasure collection please. Gunstar hero's, dynamite heady, silloutte mirage and guardian hero's maybe?

[Shane R. Monroe]

Question: can we talk about SNES,NES,or GENISIS games??

Sure you can. Just because I don't care for the early Nintendo consoles doesn't mean you guys can't talk about it. Just keep the dates in mind - I'd consider PS1, Dreamcast, Saturn, etc. MODERN gaming - so be sure THOSE sort of topics go there.

[Flare]

Sure you can. Just because I don't care for the early Nintendo consoles doesn't mean you guys can't talk about it. Just keep the dates in mind - I'd consider PS1, Dreamcast, Saturn, etc. MODERN gaming - so be sure THOSE sort of topics go there.
Now wait a second here... you have told us many times in the show that classic gaming is not about dates. It's about the relevance that a game machine had. (Show 04-02-2002)

For instance, I'd call the Dreamcast classic gaming, but not PS1 because you can still find games for it. Or I wouldn't call the Emmerson Arcadia classic gaming even if it's around the same age as the Colecovision because it bombed.

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

oh and early 90's capcom side scrolling beat em ups, like alien vs predator, the punisher and cadillacs and dinosaurs :rolleyes:

[Shane R. Monroe]

Now wait a second here... you have told us many times in the show that classic gaming is not about dates. It's about the relevance that a game machine had. (Show 04-02-2002)

For instance, I'd call the Dreamcast classic gaming, but not PS1 because you can still find games for it. Or I wouldn't call the Emmerson Arcadia classic gaming even if it's around the same age as the Colecovision because it bombed.

Damn you quoting me from years ago!

I've superceeded that since then ... (I'm not a flip flopper ... I just change my mind after finding new perspectives). I've learned a lot in 3 years ...

CLASSIC gaming is about an era ... the beginnings. The origins of gaming ...

RETRO gaming is about timeframe relative to your own gaming experiencing. *MY* retro gaming will always be the same as classic gaming. But someone that started gaming on the NES will consider it "RETRO" gaming. I call this show "RetroGaming Radio" - I cover what is retro to me.

I have talked about historically significant games, systems that were pivitol points in history (like Mortal Kombat).

I'll have to go back and listen to that show ...

[Flare]

You also said that you hate NINTENDO 6 years ago (Show: 02-20-1999) :D

[B_Rik_Schitthaus]

RETRO gaming is about timeframe relative to your own gaming experiencing. *MY* retro gaming will always be the same as classic gaming. But someone that started gaming on the NES will consider it "RETRO" gaming. I call this show "RetroGaming Radio" - I cover what is retro to me.

Thats exactly my thoughts about the definition of retro gaming. But outside the world of gaming retro means somthing differn't to me, 1960's round red televisons, original danish designer furniture, lava lamps etc despite the fact i didn't live through that era

[Flare]

RETRO gaming is about timeframe relative to your own gaming experiencing. *MY* retro gaming will always be the same as classic gaming. But someone that started gaming on the NES will consider it "RETRO" gaming. I call this show "RetroGaming Radio" - I cover what is retro to me.
True, my retrogaming started with Atari VCS and it moved towards Intellivision, NES, Genesis/SNES and finally Dreamcast.

I believe yours took a similar approach except that you started a little earlier and you went the PC way (swap Intellivision with Colecovision; NES with C64 and Genesis/SNES with Amiga) right?

[GrilledMonkeyFat]

You know what's a real shame. Not being able to play DOS games on Windows XP. I'm pretty sure if I got a DOS emulator, it may be possible, but since this isn't my PC I'm using, screw it. I remember fondly a game called Life and Death. Those who remember most DOS games, you remember the internal sound fx (so it won't come out of your speakers). Prince of Persia 1 and 2, Jill of the Jungle, so forth. You can hardly play the 2nd POP game without the game crashing once you crash (through the window, that is). How many still long to play these games, and how many of you still get to play these gems on your PC?

[Shane R. Monroe]

True, my retrogaming started with Atari VCS and it moved towards Intellivision, NES, Genesis/SNES and finally Dreamcast.

I believe yours took a similar approach except that you started a little earlier and you went the PC way (swap Intellivision with Colecovision; NES with C64 and Genesis/SNES with Amiga) right?

For consoles/handhelds:
2600
Colecovision
Sega Master System
Gameboy
Lynx
Genesis
Amiga CD32
PS1
Dreamcast
Game.com (BAHAHHAHAHA losers)
Sega Nomad
GBA SP
PS2
Nintendo DS
Gamecube

For computers:
Vic-20
C64 (several incarnations)
C128 (two incarnations)
Amiga (at least 4 incarnations)
PC

[yuckymucky]

You know what's a real shame. Not being able to play DOS games on Windows XP. I'm pretty sure if I got a DOS emulator, it may be possible, but since this isn't my PC I'm using, screw it. I remember fondly a game called Life and Death. Those who remember most DOS games, you remember the internal sound fx (so it won't come out of your speakers). Prince of Persia 1 and 2, Jill of the Jungle, so forth. You can hardly play the 2nd POP game without the game crashing once you crash (through the window, that is). How many still long to play these games, and how many of you still get to play these gems on your PC?

DOSbox woulf probably work for what you are looking for. http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/

I have played Life and Death before I am pretty sure. You are a doctor and have to operate on people and such? I remember it was auctualy pretty hard.

[GrilledMonkeyFat]

Yeah, that's the one. I just like that game because of the fact that you can operate on someone, purposely fail, and kill the patient, and the only thing that'll happen is your superior will say "I am outraged at your unbelieveable incompetence". Then, from there, you have to attend a class on how not to cut people up. Perhaps I have a warped mind. Thanks for the link, yucky. I'll look into it.

[miner2049er]

Bear in mind this is a poster from the UK, but Classic Retro Gaming is not necessarily about dates or even about particular consoles, it is a purely personal thing.

I would call anything post PSOne and Dreamcast modern, though some of my favourite "retro" moments were playing the earlier PSOne games like fade to black or heart of darkness. One of which was then new 3d and innlovative, and the other almost reinvented the platformer genre.

Common sense should be applied but a blanket cut off point os just so not possible.

Oh and Shane, a classic gamer that hates Nintendo?

I ain't no Nintendo lover by any means but the scene owes them a huge debt.

Great show by the way. I just discovered it and have some episodes on my ipod ready to listen to on holiday in a couple of weeks.

[Shane R. Monroe]

Be sure to listen to September's show about my thoughts on Nintendo. I think you will be surprised - its a damn good segment.

We've discussed this whole "what is classic gaming" before (Flare, what episode, please?) ...

In a nutshell:

CLASSIC GAMING is NOT relative - its a timeframe representing the origins of video gaming.

RETRO GAMING is relative to the user. Retro depends on the point of reference origin of discussion.

We did a whole deal on it.

[miner2049er]

Well that's settled then.

Interesting division between classic gaming and retro gaming.

Do we need to define the 2 or did you do it already?

[Flare]

We've discussed this whole "what is classic gaming" before (Flare, what episode, please?) ...
Sure thing Shane;

The would be Episode 04-02-2002 (originally available on the Year 4 CD; now available on the Year 1-5 DVD).

In this episode Shane gets a letter from a listener; Evan Casey, asking what makes a classic game.

He discussed this issue with Bryan and came up with a good rant explaining what really is classic gaming.

Key points on the rant:

• A modern game that changes the face of game forever is called an innovative game, then it becomes a classic (e.g. Chu Chu Rocket for the DC); Bryan says it's an instant classic when it redefines a genre (Jet Grind Radio); to Shane is more of a sensation, innovation, not necessarily an instant classic
• Remakes or Rehashes can never be classic games (e.g. Street Fighter, classic game; Street Fighter 3 super-turbo-alpa-criterion, not classic); Shane's exceptions are Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-man (games so close but enough innovation to justify it)
• Original rehashes of classic games, can never be classic (e.g. Spy Hunter for the PS2, Galaga Destination Earth)
• Proper conversion of classic games can be classic games in themselves (e.g. Pac-man on the NES)
• Blatant knock-offs can never obtain classic status
• Classic status can be awarded to original games that receive some sort of weird, eeire, cult status, either good or bad (e.g. E.T. for the 2600)
• Movie license titles can never be classic games, unless they match with the previous point (e.g. Cloak 'n Dagger)
• A game does not have to sell well to be a classic
• A port of the game on a different platform an be a classic if it significantly improves and follows the original game without deviation (e.g. Prince of Persia for the Amiga)
• A gaming platform gets a classic status based on the ratio of classic games to crap games (e.g. NES and SNES rank low for Shane... by the way, at this point Shane ditches the rant and segways into a nice 25 minute Nintendo bash! :D)



Something interesting on this show is that Shane says something that's not accurate (he said Puck-Man is a clone knock-off of Pac-Man while in reality Puck-Man is the original japanese game; changed for the US 'cause of the name)

Also, Shane said (God forbid) that TRON for the arcade is not really a classic game!) Isn't that weird?



Other topics on that show:
• PC Lightguns review
• Update on the Kiki-Joy Playstation controller adapter
• CGE2K2 update
• Review of a new version of Akiko emulator

Finally, on this show, Shane mentions something scary (which actually is becoming somewhat true... scary); he said:
"What will happen with this show when I talked about everything and there's really no more consoles or classic gaming stuff to talk about, there really isn't any classic gaming anymore"

[GrilledMonkeyFat]

Man, you're amazing, flare. I wish I had friends who remembered my shows. Even my memory is getting bad as far as remembering half of them, and I'm only going on 27.

[Shane R. Monroe]

Thank you Flare ... way to earn that parking spot!

There you have it!

[GrilledMonkeyFat]

Anyone here remember the VS series in the arcade? VS Super Mario, VS Castlevania, etc. Just thought I'd ask.

[GrilledMonkeyFat]

I'd probably be playing one of the VS series if I wasn't posting 145 pictures on EBAY. I need a better, more relaxing job.

[nukinetix]

The way I see it there is a difference between "periods" and "status".

On the timeline of the evolution of videogames there is something akin to the early cambrian period where a "cambrian explosion" took place and most of the major genres, control methods, play mechanics, and so on, appeared in a relatively short but creatively dense time span.

Relative to an individual gamer, there's a "retro period" defined by his/her specific early videogaming experience - this is more related to nostalgia, though it covers a range of games that offer a somewhat similar experience to the one had in those early gaming years.

Classic status is given to a game that has had significant impact on the following generations of game designs. It so happens that a vast majority of games with classic status were designed during the "cambrian period" of videogaming, but there are classic games that were made at a later time - they're fewer, but they do exist.

[Thebozz]

Wow! Jill of the Jungle! I haven't heard that title in the longest time... I did find my disks from "Life and Death" it does not take a "brain surgeon" to like that one ;-)

[uk-retro-fool]

Hi in the USA.
Just a quick note from over the pond.
After listening to your review on zoo keeper I thought
I'd give it a go.
"WOW"
What a super awesome classic but it takes a bit of practice
to get the high scores.....
From you UK brothers,,Cheers....

[Shane R. Monroe]

Glad you're lovin' it! Welcome!

[miner2049er]

From your UK brothers, Cheers....

Welcome.

Here's a good place to hang out once you get used to the language barrier.

Wherabouts are you from?

[jake159]

I'm really not that old
(I'm not gonna give away my age but i'm 10-15)
But I love all the classic games.
I go to my local arcade and play the origional Mario vs. Donky Kong all the time.;)
CLASSIC GAMES RULE!:eek:

[??????6]

Can we talk about N64 games here?

[Womp]

Can we talk about N64 games here?

N64 isn't classic gaming around these parts. Not really considered 'Classic' by definition either way.

[entexman]

Can we talk about N64 games here?


N64 isn't classic gaming around these parts. Not really considered 'Classic' by definition either way.

I don't know Womp to me N64 is certainly old school by todays standards though to me it is not classic either. I guess if the original poster wants to talk N64 games he should do so in the Modern Gaming forums?

[BJWanlund]

I think talk about the old point-&-click adventure games would fit right in here...unless it had something to do with the DS. :D

BTW, The N64 had some great games, like Mario Tennis, Mario Party 2, Mario Party 3, etc.

And if my NES collection is any indication, I have very few "crap games" in my collection (only "Where's Waldo?" and "The Little Mermaid"...damn that game was evil).

BJ

[Flare]

Check Post #20 (http://monroeworld.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25209&postcount=20) in this thread.

kthnx

[entexman]

Check Post #20 (http://monroeworld.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25209&postcount=20) in this thread.

kthnx


So by Shane and Bryan's definition a game like Mario 64 can be classic since Mario 64 was innovative for it's time and now has become classic with age. Thanks for clearing that up flare!

[Womp]

I don't know Womp to me N64 is certainly old school by todays standards though to me it is not classic either. I guess if the original poster wants to talk N64 games he should do so in the Modern Gaming forums?

I think to us older guys its hardly 'Classic' material, and given whose forum this is I can probably definitely guess that the N64 isn't wouldn't be considered classic enough for this area either. heh.

I mean the thing is barely 10 years old and its final game was released not even *5* years ago. I don't find it old school yet either, ditto the Playstation which was released at the same time. To me Modern Gaming would be a better place to be. Obviously a gamer's age I think plays a lot into this but once again given this is Monroeworld....

Thats not to say some of the games on it couldn't be classics at some point, granted I hate the system personally but for many it has its perks (Mario 64 and Zelda Ocarina of Time).

My wife had hers at the curb in the trash can a couple of years ago, I had to rescue it...My opinions on it aside I couldn't let a game console be tossed literally away like that. :)

[Womp]

So by Shane and Bryan's definition a game like Mario 64 can be classic since Mario 64 was innovative for it's time and now has become classic with age. Thanks for clearing that up flare!

There you have it. :)

[entexman]

My wife had hers at the curb in the trash can a couple of years ago, I had to rescue it...My opinions on it aside I couldn't let a game console be tossed literally away like that. :)

Good for you sir!

I am not going to defend the merits of the old N64, but I will say it is a console near and dear to heart as much as the SNES and NES are. It may not have lived up to hype surrounding it, but the N64 delivered some ground breaking games for it's time in my opinion.

It's interesting that Nintendo now offers Mario 64, Mario Kart 64 and Zelda 64 on the Wii as VC games. I hope to see more N64 games on the VC.

[Womp]

Word has it Starfox 64 is right around the corner. At this point the few games that really made the system worthwhile will all be available on the VC.

[entexman]

Word has it Starfox 64 is right around the corner. At this point the few games that really made the system worthwhile will all be available on the VC.

There are quite a few more games to round out the system other than the few on the VC now or in the near future as far as I am concerned, but I digress. At least you kept your N64 and what games you had for it. That is some small consolation to me :)

[Womp]

There are quite a few more games to round out the system other than the few on the VC now or in the near future as far as I am concerned, but I digress. At least you kept your N64 and what games you had for it. That is some small consolation to me :)

It was my wife's. She had 2 games for it and she said she never played it, a a matter of fact it sat where it did during the 4 years that I knew her up to that point. She said I was silly for saving it as "It was just sitting there collecting dust!".

She would have never of done that to my stuff. :D

Honestly the only game I kinda enjoyed was Mario 64 and I can play that on my DS at this point but its not one of my favorite games and once the graphics 'Wow' wore off it certainly shows some weak spots (Repeating the same level over and over again and again). Mario Kart 64 to me is the worst incarnation of the series (Double Dash being a close second) thanks to its rubber band A.I. blah graphics, and crappy sound. The tracks weren't all that either. Star Fox 64 was a lot of fun...Can't complain much. :) Of course Ocarina of Time has never done it for me. As a huge Zelda fan I couldn't get into the 3D gameplay, it just wasn't the same Zelda I knew and loved. I am shocked I got through Twilight Princess as it was.

Ultimately I really hated the N64's controller...Ugh.

[sharrychrist]

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[joejet]

Yea womp... why cant you be a little more specific? You elitist bastard ;)

[Flare]

I'm sorry, but I'm not falling for it. This guy is a spammer.

Check out his signature (before I blast his post and his user account ;))

Pakistan Property? UK Dropshipping? France Dropshippers? Wholesale Suppliers?

Nice try.

[Flare]

Neh, I'll leave his post around (sans the sig)... it's kinda funny :)