Article on Wifi [Archive] - Monroeworld Forums

Shane R. Monroe

09-19-2005, 11:49 PM

http://www.ds-x2.com/index.php?id=4181

Good stuff ...

esteban

09-20-2005, 12:23 AM

Having WiFi hubs or hotspots at retail locations is brilliant from a marketing perspective, as the article points out.

The USB/PC <--> DS connectivity needs some clarification. Has Nintendo released any concrete details on this yet? Any speculation would be nice to read as well.

Pondering: What if Nintendo manages to seucre DS WiFi at Starbucks... airport concourses... and other hotspots?

B_Rik_Schitthaus

09-20-2005, 02:28 AM

The USB/PC <--> DS connectivity needs some clarification. Has Nintendo released any concrete details on this yet? Any speculation would be nice to read as well.

I havn't heard anything although this (http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=allproducts&searchstring=nintendo+USB&page=search&Go.x=42&Go.y=7) appeared at play.com a few weeks ago due for launch on the same day as mario kart DS.

surley its not that easy?

esteban

09-20-2005, 04:02 AM

I havn't heard anything although this (http://play.com/play247.asp?pa=search&searchtype=allproducts&searchstring=nintendo+USB&page=search&Go.x=42&Go.y=7) appeared at play.com a few weeks ago due for launch on the same day as mario kart DS.

surley its not that easy?Pretty interesting... I would have hoped for a DS USB port to be bundled with Mario Kart DS, but at least we have an idea of the price range.

TripHamer

09-20-2005, 05:17 AM

What about a world wide sub internet made out of wifi? If some new protocalls can be set up and enough people have an access point, could it be possible? It would be interesting to say the least.

Just a random idea off the top of my head.

Shane R. Monroe

09-20-2005, 06:47 AM

From what I understand, if you have a 8011.g WAP, then you're already set - the USB addon is simply a low cost alternative for those without.

Womp

09-20-2005, 07:28 AM

From what I understand, if you have a 8011.g WAP, then you're already set - the USB addon is simply a low cost alternative for those without.

That would be correct.

IMO, Mario Kart DS alone will be worth it all.

Shane R. Monroe

09-20-2005, 08:19 AM

For me, its Ultimate Card Games. I played assloads of cards in the Navy, and in this case, playing with HUMANS would actually be better than with a computer.

Not saying I'm not totally stoked about other games ...

B_Rik_Schitthaus

09-20-2005, 08:28 AM

Mario Kart, Animal crossing and Metroid Prime: Hunters (I'd asume its online, correct me if im wrong)

I know metroid will have the usual online FPS problems in terms of the type of players but fraging the crap out of people anywhere I want in the house (i.e the bog) or out and about is too appealing.

Ulitmate cards is a good choice, online poker yes please. Its just a shame no official announcent about that game being released in the UK has been made yet.

Yodaporn

09-20-2005, 07:28 PM

I think I understand, but just for 100% clarification; I should be abile to plop down in my local wi-fi hotspot coffee shop and connect, right?

Womp

09-21-2005, 04:56 PM

I think I understand, but just for 100% clarification; I should be abile to plop down in my local wi-fi hotspot coffee shop and connect, right?

Seems that way, yes.

Shane R. Monroe

09-21-2005, 05:15 PM

Darksol

10-05-2005, 02:55 PM

Another article on DS and Wi-Fi with launch dates and details starting with Europe:
http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/2005/10/ds_wifi_starts.php

Yodaporn

10-05-2005, 04:02 PM

well, in the event you cant connect just anywhere, you can allways take that wireless converter and try to convence someone with a laptop to share their conection with you. Heck, maby the shop owners own machine would be abile to use it. But what would the range be on that little sucker?

Darksol

10-05-2005, 04:24 PM

I'm not COMPLETELY sure this will all work out ...

I would imagine that the DS will compensate for WEP security, so you'll be able to enter a key. ANd its 8011.g based.

However - T-Mobile is starting to buy up a LOT of coffee-shop-hot-spots and they (along with MANY others) require a web browser to actually authenticate. I don't know how the DS will get around this. I hope they will.

You can do that T-Mobile authentication behind the scenes. The forms in the browser just send certain information. All you have to do is create a session and do it behind the scenes. You can collect the data necessary in a provided form via the DS software. No biggie.

Shane R. Monroe

10-05-2005, 06:13 PM

You can do that T-Mobile authentication behind the scenes. The forms in the browser just send certain information. All you have to do is create a session and do it behind the scenes. You can collect the data necessary in a provided form via the DS software. No biggie.

Yeah, but how do you create that session?

Darksol

10-05-2005, 06:41 PM

Yeah, but how do you create that session?

T-Mobile has both open authentication and secure authentication that uses 802.11x. Your DS should be able to sniff a wireless network. With open authentication, once you are connected onto that network and have an IP, the DS would have to open a TCP/IP connection and then request any URL destination using the HTTP protocol. These hotspot webservers will redirect you to their homepage and once you're there you just need to send the data the web server needs for authentication thru the HTTP protocol. All of this stuff is always happening behind the scenes when you use a web browser, its just that web browser always renders the pretty HTML page for you :). In this case all you care about is the authentication. If you can write raw HTTP messages , this isn't so bad.

In college, I wrote a lightweight webserver so I did stuff like the above to test it out by sending bad HTTP messages to see if it would crash my webserver :)

If you are using secure authentication then you need to implement 802.11x. I am not exactly sure what the DS does for wireless today, but not being about to use public hotspots would be a big mistake.

Darksol

10-05-2005, 06:44 PM

Your authentication data (user name , credit card # , etc) could be collected in some setup form for the DS game or maybe there are some settings when you turn on the DS that can hold auth info?

Shane R. Monroe

10-05-2005, 06:45 PM

In college, I wrote a lightweight webserver so I did stuff like the above to test it out by sending bad HTTP messages to see if it would crash my webserver :)

If you are using secure authentication then you need to implement 802.11x. I am not exactly sure what the DS does for wireless today, but not being about to use public hotspots would be a big mistake.

So, the DS will have to have some basic web browser for handling that.

Darksol

10-05-2005, 06:50 PM

So, the DS will have to have some basic web browser for handling that.

It will have some basic program for sending the right raw HTTP/HTTPS messages.

As far as I am concerned while this is happening all you should have to see is a message like 'Connecting' and 'Authenticating' and then either 'Success' or 'Failure'.

Of course if we could get the Opera guys to port their software over to the DS :)

Shane R. Monroe

10-05-2005, 06:51 PM

Darksol

10-05-2005, 06:56 PM

No, because when I used TMobile, you had to use their website to enter a credit card number to GET access. Then, to USE The access, it required a login and password. At the VERY LEAST, the DS will need to allow you to enter a username and password ...

Your authentication data (user name , credit card # , etc) could be collected in some setup form for the DS game or maybe there are some settings when you turn on the DS that can hold auth info?
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I believe I mentioned that would have to happen in the previous post. But yeah the SW you're using would have to take a user login and password like so many online programs on your PC do today.

The PSP has a web browser and so its already taken care of the problem.

Darksol

10-05-2005, 07:31 PM

I think the solution here is not too bad. Nintendo just needs to give the SW developers a lightweight browser to build into the game or better yet they can make a deal behind the scenes with the heavyweight providers for a easy way to authenticate with your DS. You would then pay Nintendo and then a cut of that would say go to T-mobile. I got too interested in the actual behind the scenes stuff, but the solution here is not too drastic. The DS needs some kind of web client sooner or later.

bwillard01

02-16-2006, 06:04 PM

I totally agree with the online poker, why the *&%$@! would you come out with a tournament poker game & not make it wifi? Would probably double the value/appeal.

-Bruce

bwillard01

02-16-2006, 06:04 PM

BTW, any wifi poker games on the horizon?

Shane R. Monroe

02-16-2006, 06:38 PM

Ultimate Card Games will have some online component.

bwillard01

02-16-2006, 06:57 PM

Sweet, what's the release date on that?

Thanks,

-Bruce

Womp

02-16-2006, 07:15 PM

Sweet, what's the release date on that?

Thanks,

-Bruce

To be honest, I don't think ANYone knows yet. The game has seen numerous different release dates and it keeps getting delayed. Its a bummer but hopefully this Spring sometime.

bwillard01

02-16-2006, 07:18 PM

OK, thanks & I'll wait patiently. Keep up the great work on DSR guys!

-Bruce

Alyinsanfran

02-17-2006, 10:34 AM

I'll tack this on the end of this thread..

Anyone know if the DS works with a mac-based wi-fi setup? I'd like to get one purely for the online gaming, but it sounds like it needs a PC. I've got a 11b/g router so was hoping I could run it ok.

Womp

02-17-2006, 10:50 AM

No reason it shouldn't, the DS just needs a wifi connection...Shouldn't matter what the wifi is originating from. The only prob associated with the macs was that the Nintendo Wifi dongle doesn't support them, its Windows only.

Alyinsanfran

02-17-2006, 11:52 AM

Ah I see. Cheers Womp, I may be getting one sooner rather than later.

miner2049er

02-17-2006, 12:05 PM